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hi has anyone read this book.
what did you think ?.
Lost: I do, but have not read it yet. It is on my list to read. Get this, years ago you could get this book at the KH. I bought it to get the info regarding the cross. Yep another WT ...... misleading quote.
Affectionately: Brother of the Hawk ( I will surrender my mind no more, forever)
some elders enjoy giving the business to the lowly flock thru intimidation.
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some love to ask you to enter with them into the "backroom".. of course, there were many that never had run-ins with the shepherds because they were under the radar.. did you ever get interrogatted by the elders and if so, how did it go??
I've made a career of it, in fact just last night, 2 showed up to investigate my apostasy (unannounced), must say, if you watched the video above, last night went much like that. these two elders were very quiet and let us hang ourselves. Along with a lot of bible bending especially when one said where will you go? I did not hesitate to correct him, I said NO, Peter said Whom shell we go to. When I showed the Greek Diaglott and how the NWT is a mistranslated Bible one elder ( who actually looked at the Greek spelling) looked very ill. At least one of them made a effort to look at it and read what we had, and why not it, it was all WT info. I feel we have crucified ourselves with WT Literature!!! Affectionately: Brother of the Hawk (I will surrender my mind no more, forever)
last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.
my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.
she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.
Black Sheep. Being squeeky clean??? HA!! all anyone has to do is visit this site to see alot of argumants, bantering back and forth even name calling, ie. AAWA.
Get real. One little mistake is not going to change anyones mind who is so tied to the borg that they cannot see the truth that it is right in front of their face. Just look at the new lite that is coming up soon in the July 15 th WT. Try to convince your mom and dad that the new lite was NOT yesterdays (32years ago) APOSTATE thinking. Thus the cleaning out of a whole nest of apostates, Ray Franz included!!!!
Back off DUDE. Remember this conversation was with a DEAF person, you have to talk differently with them, use different terminology.
MY own Mother inlaw was given 10 pieces of info. exposing the lie, she even acknowleged she could see the lie, but still chose to remain an active JW. The epitomy of HYPOCRISY!!!
AFFECTIONATELY: Brother of the Hawk ( I will surrender my mind no more, forever)
the term jehovah was the invention of a catholic monk (raymundus martini) in ad 1202, that name may not appear in scripture, because there existed not until the 12th century, so the jw can not say that appears 7,000 times in scripture, de hecho, in fact, this name is linked with that of demologia and illuminati,.
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And there you have it, the God that is know to Jehovah's witnesses, is an invented GOD . So I ask. Who then have (as Jehovahs witnesses)we been praying to all this time. ???
Behind curtain No. 1
The inventor of that name, the one who wants what the true God has. Worship and prayers, power . Satan, AKA Olde Lucifer himself!!!
Affectionately: Brother of the Hawk ( I will surrender my mind no more, forever)
i decided to ask this on the back of "lost"'s thread about yhvh etc.. quite often on here we get bible believers trying to tie the whole mess that is the bible together, and maintaining that it tells us about just one "true" god.. who is this "true" god, and what is the proof that he is true ?.
was he the god of abraham and melchizedech ?.
the god of the ordinary jew before the babylonian exile ?.
Just in case no one saw Newly Enlightened's post awhile back: http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-gods-name-yahweh-or-jehovah Brother of the hawk
i decided to ask this on the back of "lost"'s thread about yhvh etc.. quite often on here we get bible believers trying to tie the whole mess that is the bible together, and maintaining that it tells us about just one "true" god.. who is this "true" god, and what is the proof that he is true ?.
was he the god of abraham and melchizedech ?.
the god of the ordinary jew before the babylonian exile ?.
My two cents to this post. I do not rely on what other people say, I do my own research.
In Ray Franz's book: In search of Christian Freedom on pg 499 Ray uses a source named Rud Persson, (Google it) Rud makes the comment and without quoting the entire page, I will sum it up. " Those who copied or translated the Greek Septuagint placed the Heberw Tetragrammaton in the Greek text. They did not translate it into some Greek expressions corresponding to "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" or even transliterate the Hebrew letters into Greek letters." He further adds "on coming upon these four letters, tried to read them as Greek letters and thus pronounced them as "Pi Pi". Please note, the Greek Language has no translation for "JEHOVAH" as Lost notes it is an invented name,. If you did the research you will note the Name Jehovah first appears along with the King James VERSION bible, which in my opinion was a government-issued bible. At which point satan gets what he wants as recorded in Isiah 14: 13-14. He has made himself GOD, Thanks to the JWs, myself included, for preaching this for over 40 years, The world has been hoaxed into praying to Satan masked as JEHOVAH.
People all it takes to see this is some research and thinking ability. Known as common sense!
Very good job LOST
Affectionately: Brother of the Hawk (I will surrender my mint no more, forever)
i decided to ask this on the back of "lost"'s thread about yhvh etc.. quite often on here we get bible believers trying to tie the whole mess that is the bible together, and maintaining that it tells us about just one "true" god.. who is this "true" god, and what is the proof that he is true ?.
was he the god of abraham and melchizedech ?.
the god of the ordinary jew before the babylonian exile ?.
Lost. Just did a ISBN search of our Strongs concordance. June, 1940. but it is probably an exact reprint, NE tells me ISBN numbers were not used back then. But it is still an 1940 edition. Please PM us with your question.
Affectionately: Brother of the Hawk ( I will surrender my mind no more, forever)
last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.
my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.
she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.
Yep. I agree. Even the study conductors aren't aware of what was taught as 'New light' decades ago, that truly was NOT based solid on scriptures.
my first poem, i've written in over 30 years.. to all of my new friends and those yet to come.. the powers to be.
my day started early, 2:30 am.
i lay in bed to wonder, who i am.. midlife has come, my light is growing dim.
Thank you friends. Just something I had to get off of my chest.
last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.
my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.
she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.
ABible Student: Gojira's dad here. I would like to answer part of your question If I may. "Spiritually strong"( non thinking )JWs will stay with WTBTS. Spiritually strong( thinking) JWS will also stay with WTBTS, because of family and friends.
Spiritually weak (still thinking) JW's will also stay with WTBS because of family and friends, there have been many threads started here where both statements can be proven true.
I can only relate our story. NE and I and Gojira have always considered ourselves, as you put it , "Spiritually strong" we were the ones who would be called at the last mnuite to give a substitue talk, when I was serving as a MS I cannot tell you how many times I covered parts because others begged off on their parts. Spiritually strong , YES. Thinking for ourselves, YES,
Our problem has always been seeing the imperfections of men. Very soon there is going to be a video on youtube where NE and I video taped an elders meeting with us, BTW Gojira was in the next room taking notes through the door...
The biggest problem though we would see constantly Elders pushing their own personal opinion as scripture.. Again, MEN. We still believed this was God's ORG. Untill one day while getting reaquainted with a friend for over 20 years, also a "Spiritually strong" man came to visit us, we were catching up on things, (a move to another state has seperated us) I had made a comment "JWs are the most self decieved people in the entire world, they think the Elders are going to be there when they need them, they will not be". Well this gave my beloved BROTHER the opportunity to tell us about TTATT. At that time he was not posting here yet. What did it for NE and I was when he said he now believed Christ died on the cross. The best thing he did was encourage us to do OUR OWN research, and gave us the sites to visit. For the first time in over 45 years NE and I could see the LIES with the ORG. it was no longer men. You see we had enough respect for our friend that we listened to him, instead of throwing him out. Being spiritually strong also means having enough love to hear someone out, even if it's contrary to belief.
Being "Spiritually strong" means being able to see the lie and readjust your thinking yourself, and not letting others do it for you. Being "Spiritually strong" also means knowing there are consequences that have to be paid, We lost all our family, except our Daughter and her husband. That is a price we were willing to pay. We are so thankful that he spoke up. Thank you so much my dear, dear friend. I Love you!
Affectionately: Brother of the Hawk ( I will surrender my mind no more, forever)
